Visualizing gun deaths – Comparing the U.S. to rest of the world

JohnWayneWhen it comes to gun violence, the United States stands out.

President Obama’s nominee for surgeon general, Vivek Murthy, a renowned Boston-based physician, has advocated for stricter gun-control laws and referred to the U.S. rates of gun violence as a public health threat.  Murthy’s views have ignited opposition from the gun lobby and politicians on both sides of the aisle, virtually assuring an end to his bid to become the U.S.’s top public health official.

In any debate about gun control and violence prevention, it is useful to examine data on gun deaths.

How does the US stack up against other countries when it comes to homicides involving guns? The screen grab below, which uses findings from the Global Burden of Disease Study 2010, illustrates the  difference in firearm homicide rates between the US and other high-income countries. Adjusting for differences in population size, rates of homicides from guns were  6.6 times larger in the US than in Portugal, the country with one of the highest rates in Western Europe.

Firearm homicide rates in selected high-income countries, 2010

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In a 2013 article for The Atlantic online that compared gun homicides in US cities to some of the deadliest places in the world, the authors created a map, below, that shows Atlanta has the same gun murder rate as South Africa, Detroit as El Salvador, Phoenix equal to Mexico’s gun homicide rate:

Atlantic Gun Violence

The Atlantic

Another screen grab, below, compares gun homicide rates in the US with countries that frequently make headlines for conflict-related violence (Afghanistan, Iraq, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, and Pakistan).

The US has higher rates of homicides from guns than Pakistan. At 4.5 deaths per 100,000 people, the US rates aren’t much lower than gun homicide rates in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (5.2 deaths per 100,000 people). Annually, the US has about two fewer gun homicide deaths per 100,000 people than Iraq, which has 6.5 deaths per 100,000.

Firearm homicide rates in Afghanistan, Iraq, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, the United States, and Pakistan, 2010

Gun Violence 2Compared to certain countries known for their high crime rates, such as Jamaica, Russia, South Africa, and Kenya, the US had the second-highest rate of gun homicide deaths after Jamaica (view data online).

Although the US stands out for its high rates of homicide firearm deaths, its rates look small compared to certain Latin American countries. The following screen grab indicates that El Salvador, Colombia, and Honduras had the highest rates of firearm homicides in the world in 2010.

Firearm homicide rates in Latin America and the United States, 2010

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What can the US learn from strategies these countries are taking to address gun violence?

One inspiring example comes from Cali, Colombia, and highlights the value of using data to identify risk factors for homicide. In the early 1990s, the mayor of Cali decided to use data to improve health outcomes in his city. A physician and epidemiologist by training, Dr. Rodrigo Guerrero Velasco set up a firearm death tracking system to identify different risk factors driving these trends. Guerrero Velasco and his colleagues found that more than half of Cali’s homicide victims were intoxicated. Also, analysis of the data revealed that homicides were more likely to involve young people and occur on holiday weekends, weekends following paydays, and election days.

Based on these findings, Guerrero Velasco implemented several interventions to address these risk factors, such as limiting the hours alcohol could be sold, imposing curfews for individuals under 18 on the weekends, and imposing short-term gun bans on select weekends and election days when homicides were most likely to occur. According to an academic study based on an analysis of the city’s gun death database, homicides declined from a high of 124 per 100,000 in 1994 to 86 per 100,000 in 1997. Another study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association and co-authored by University of Washington epidemiologists found that homicide death rates were 14% lower than expected during periods when gun bans were imposed in Cali.

Homicide rates in Cali, Colombia, 1983-1998

HomicidesCaliNote: Figure taken from paper entitled “La epidemiología de los homicidios en Cali, 1993-1998: seis años de un modelo poblacional” published in the Pan American Journal of Public Health

In 2011, Guerrero Velasco was re-elected to a second term as mayor of Cali. It will be enlightening to see what additional steps he takes to curb the city’s gun violence.

Instead of using local data to identify local solutions, the US may largely have to rely on studies done in other countries to gain insight into ways to curb gun violence. Even though Obama lifted a 17-year-old ban on US federal funding for gun violence research in 2013, a congressional ban on funding for this research remains in place.

Katie Leach-Kemon, a weekly contributor of global health visual information posts for Humanosphere, is a policy translation specialist from the University of Washington’s Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation.

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Katie Leach-Kemon

Katherine writes and produces policy reports, contributes to weekly blog posts for Humanosphere, and conducts outreach worldwide to boost awareness and understanding of IHME’s Global Burden of Disease research. In addition, she contributes to IHME’s health financing research. Katherine is a former IHME Post-Graduate Fellow.

  • steve

    I just want to know, are you naive or just really stupid?

    • KenD

      Please explain.

    • gunsfornuns

      yes, please do go on steve. you have got us all so enthralled. do you know what that word means? enthralled. maybe ask an actual involved question instead of being and instadick then biding your time for a response… you slack jawed mongoloid sisterfucker. at least im an asshole with front teeth.

      • gunsfornuns

        sticks and stones may break my bones but hollow points expand on impact. brah

      • The One Who Knows

        *Tries to sound intelligent*
        *Uses the term “mongoloid” as an insult*
        Yeah okay you’re just another idiot…

        • Rees Britton

          Mon·gol·oid adjective ˈmäŋ-gə-ˌlȯid
          Definition of MONGOLOID
          1
          : of, constituting, or characteristic of a race of humankind native to Asia and classified according to physical features (as the presence of an epicanthic fold)
          2
          often not capitalized usually offensive : of, relating to, or affected with Down syndrome
          — Mongoloid noun

          It is an insult you dult!

        • Rees Britton

          *tries to be an asshole
          *thinks mongoloid isnt an insult
          Yeah okay you’re just another idiot…

  • ussr51478

    Who keeps statistics on gun death in Afghanistan or Sudan? Just curious…

    • RPTX

      They can’t be accurate.

    • bobplugh

      Right – no way they are accurate. They are probably under reported by more than 10X, maybe more than 100X

  • Voice_of_Reason

    Probably ought to look at TOTAL homicide rates. My understanding is that the homicide rate in Russia is four times that of the US, with kitchen knives being the most common weapon there.

    • mj2280

      “Probably ought to look at TOTAL homicide rates. My understanding is that the homicide rate in Russia is four times that of the US, with kitchen knives being the most common weapon there.”

      That is a valid point, although the rate difference between Russia and the U.S. is not 4x, but twice as much (4.7 to 9.2). That said, do we really just need to be better off than Russia to be doing the right thing? In my mind, being behind pretty much every first world country (even in total homicide rate) is a problem.

      Guns without a doubt cause issues in our country. People flout the 2nd amendment without understanding the amendment itself. People toss around conspiracy theories about how background checks will lead to an all out gun ban, even though our Supreme Court has essentially made such a ban impossible. The numbers in this article are worthy of a discussion. I just wish it could be done rationally, and by a Congress that was not afraid of special interest groups (Here’s lookin’ at the NRA).

      • Rincoln

        The numbers are complete bulshit. They are supplied by a medical organization with bias against gun ownership. You want real numbers, check the FBI database http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8

        • mj2280

          All the numbers say that we lead in gun violence, so not sure which you are taking offense to. Even the FBI numbers, which are based on UCR data and are also flawed, still say we lead first world countries in gun violence. That is indisputable.

          If you want even more trustworthy information, you should look to peer reviewed research. There are a number of studies out there (Hoskins, 2011; Wells & Horney 2002; Donohue 2003; Block 1997; Hemenway, 2004). Those are a just a few that either compare gun violence across countries or discuss it.

          As I said, it really is indisputable that we lead our peer countries in gun violence. Now, what we should do about it is worthy of a debate. Preferably, a debate without special interest group’s interfering.

          • john robel

            YOU’RE FULL OF SHIT.

        • Matthew Clemens

          I did some basic math to compare the firearm homicide rates against what the fbi has posted and they are identical. Do you have a calculator?

          • Sarvepalli

            Homicide is a crime. Gun crime is a fraction of our total gun death/injury rate. The FBI crime statistics do not cover gun accidents, children shooting children, suicide or even some homicides considered justified. When the total of our shameful gun death/injury rate is taken into account, we have the highest rate of all other developed nations.

        • john robel

          YEAH BUDDY !!

        • Sarvepalli

          The FBI database only covers gun crime. It doesn’t list non crime gun death/injury like accidents, children shooting others, suicide, or even some forms of homicide considered justified. However, the medical community sees all forms of gun death/injury including crime when the victims are admitted to the ER.

          • Sam Roan

            Those are gun deaths. Like the thread is talking about.

        • Sam Roan

          the statistic I looked at was gun deaths. Like the subject of this thread. Not knives. 15,000 here in the USA GUN deaths. 400 and some change in Canada. Only factors were homicides and accidental shootings. They all say the same thing if you find an independent source. First world countries, we are WAY at the top. Pakistan has less gun deaths.

      • Sarvepalli

        You give too much credit to Voice of “Reason”. His is is not a valid point. If we’re to make comparisons then it should be among developed nations like ourselves. Russia is not considered a developed nation. If you’re going to take that position then why not compare ourselves to Honduras which has the highest gun death/injury rate of all.

        It’s sad that we’ve descended to the point that we have to resort to comparing ourselves favorably to nations like Honduras or Russia instead of developed nations like Italy, Spain, Netherlands, Australia, France, Switzerland, England, etc. Of all developed nations we have the highest rate of gun death/injury and that rate is not caused by kitchen knives as implied by Voice of “Reason”.

  • guest

    I would like to see a study of gun ownership within a country compared to freedoms its citizens enjoy. Wouldn’t U.S. citizens spike high in both categories compared to the rest of the world?

    • kate

      Other countries with strict gun control don’t have less freedoms in general!! There there are things you can do in the US that you can’t do in other countries but other countries have freedoms the US doesn’t have… We like to believe that we are the people with the most freedom but if you have lived in certain other countries you might find out that this is not always true…

      • QueueTC

        Yes. It would be really difficult to establish an operational definition of “freedoms enjoyed” that we could rank countries on, BUT it is indisputable that countries with even more guns freely floating around (Afghanistan, Honduras) would certainly be shown to have LESS individual freedoms enjoyed.

      • bobplugh

        Why don’t you LIST some of those supposed freedoms that others have and we don’t enjoy.

        • Donnie Robertson

          BECAUSE BOB PLUGH azzholez such as YOU will simply call them bogus. The freedom I have to protect my life and that of my family is all I care about! If a criminal enters MY home he will DEFINITELY leave under a sheet! Those other countries??? The criminal will leave unscathed and the homeowner will leave brutally assaulted!

    • Randy Diplock

      Nobody enjoys (though I doubt you’ll believe this because of all the rhetoric) more freedoms than Canada or the UK. Check their/our numbers.

      • Sam Roan

        Switzerland is supposedly the happiest country. Lets check their numbers vs ours… 239 gun deaths in 2011 and dropping. Lets take a look at the good old USA and our freedom to shoot each other.15,953 in 2011 but dropping. Canada 476. These are all homicides and accidental shootings. You can own a gun in these places. Explain the difference to me. I’m not getting it?

        • bobplugh

          Fewer blacks…

        • Donnie Robertson

          SAM ROAN CLAIMS: “Switzerland is supposedly the happiest country. Lets check their numbers vs ours… 239 gun deaths in 2011 and dropping. Lets take a look at the good old USA and our freedom to shoot each other.15,953 in 2011 but dropping. Canada 476. These are all homicides and accidental shootings. You can own a gun in these places. Explain the difference to me. I’m not getting it?”

          YOU stats do NOT detail POLICE SHOOTINGS that stopped a crime from escalating, they neglect suicides, negligent discharges ……………………… oh hell why should I try; the douche will never admit his numbers are Bull-CHIT!

      • Donnie Robertson

        AND TAXES in those crap-holes are HOW HIGH?

    • Max

      I would draw your attention back to the first graph (Firearm homicide rates in selected high-income countries, 2010). All of those nations listed would have similar (some slightly worse, some slightly better) levels of freedoms enjoyed by their citizens, without the incredible number of gun deaths that the U.S. “enjoys”.

      Personally I would think that being murdered is a huge infringement of your freedoms but no doubt my judgment is in question because I also think the U.S. has its guns laws all wrong. I would also note that the annual number of Americans to be murdered by firearms is similar to the number of Africans who have died in the current Ebola outbreak. One is an emergency worthy of worldwide intervention and support, the other is business as usual…

    • Elska_

      Most of Europe stands way better in terms of healthcare and affordable education for example, with good justice systems, and they don’t have a “need” for gun ownership like America does…Also, as an American living in China (yes, of all places), there are certain freedoms Americans DON’T have and Chinese do. We have to stop being ignorant and thinking everything we say is right all the time. We’re simply not. It’s totally fine to say America sucks. It does in a lot of ways. But it has a lot of potential too. Why can’t we just put down out egos and work to improve our country instead of feeling (falsely) like it’s already perfect?

      • john robel

        Anonymous — Response To Obama’s 2013 Gun Control Policy

      • mike

        I have never spent time in China. Please enlighten me to these vast freedoms enjoyed by the Chinese that Americans do not have.

        • Vixxin

          Yes, focus ONLY on China instead of the point that Europe is better, statistically and factually speaking on things that matter concerning the well fare of it’s citizens.

          Cherry picking your arguments, are we?

      • bobplugh

        Why would you say this and not list at least one… I’m calling BS… Go ahead…

        Name ONE freedom that Chinese have and Americans do… other than to create and own 100% of a business in China!!!

        Now, try spewing your garbage to anyone that protests against the Government in China!

        • dum dum

          I know it’s hard to believe that we Americans are not the envy of the world these days and we’re not as special as we believe we are. People have become so ignorant. So many Americans walking around talking about having freedoms because we still have guns or because of some other reason. No, clearly we have less freedoms then we used to. If you question this I wonder where you have been the last 15 years. While everybody stays focused on the 2nd amendment and their obsession over keeping it they seem to not realize that literally every other amendment has been violated repeatedly to one extent or another. And dont’ brag about Americans owning businesses in China. That does not benefit us. Jobs in the US benefit us. The rich moved them there because they clearly felt they were not making enough money. Therefore, their workers were shit out of luck. Awesome. Besides China is currently graduating engineers at a 2 to 1 ratio vs the US. They appear to be catching up to us more and more because we’re squandering away our resources and energy on wars. Not the benefit of our people. We have an education system that keeps getting reduced but our military does not. We have universities which are great but the cost vs Euro nations is bullshit. There are no jobs to be had even if one spends 4 or 6 years at uni and just ends up without work anyways and $60,000 in debt. Oh and our government has spent us into a hole so big our grandkids will pay for it. I give a shit about my country but blind patriotism is equivalent to being mentally retarded. Go learn shit.

    • john robel

      TRY THIS Anonymous — Response To Obama’s 2013 Gun Control Policy

      • Donnie Robertson

        The plan Obama just knows will stop gun violence?? It applies to the LAW ABIDING and even if enacted will DO NOTHING TO STOP CAREER CRIMINALS! They are CRIMINALS and could NOT CARE LESS WHAT IDIOTIC BARACK OBAMA SIGNS! CRIMINALS ARE CALLED CRIMINALS FOR A REASON!
        Requires background checks for all gun sales and strengthens the background check system. This would include removing barriers under the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act so that states may more freely share information about mental health issues involving potential gun purchasers.
        Provides states with monetary incentives—$20 million in fiscal year FY 2013 and a proposed $50 million in FY 2014—to share information so that records on criminal history and people prohibited from gun ownership due to mental health reasons are more available.
        Bans military-style assault weapons and limits magazines to a capacity of 10 rounds.
        Provides additional tools to law enforcement. The plan proposes a crackdown on gun trafficking by asking Congress to pass legislation that closes “loopholes” in gun trafficking laws and establishes strict penalties for “straw purchasers” who pass a background check and then pass guns on to prohibited people.
        Urges Congress to pass the administration’s $4 billion proposal to keep 15,000 state and local police officers on the street to help deter gun crime.
        Maximizes efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime. The president calls upon the attorney general to work with U.S. attorneys across the country to determine gaps occurring in this area and where supplemental resources are appropriate.
        Provides training for “active shooter” situations to 14,000 law enforcement, first responders and school officials.
        Directs the secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services to issue a statement to health care providers that they are not prohibited by federal law from reporting threats of violence to the proper authorities.
        Launches a national gun safety campaign to encourage responsible gun ownership and authorizes the Consumer Product Safety Commission to examine issues relating to gun safety locks.
        Helps schools invest in safety. The president’s plan calls for more school resource officers and counselors in all schools through the Community Oriented Policing Services hiring program. The plan also calls for the federal government to assist schools in developing emergency management plans.
        Improves mental health awareness through enhanced teacher training and referrals for treatment. The plan calls for the training of 5,000 additional mental health professionals nationwide. The plan also calls for coverage of mental health treatment under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act and the Mental Health Parity and Addiction Equity Act of 2008.

    • Vixxin

      No, not of the first world countries. Democracy and freedom are pretty well known already.

      I know that the USA tries to make it seem like most of Europe and parts of Asia don’t exist (it infuriates me still how little I was taught in that country about it’s real conducts and always interesting to see how my new country and it’s neighbors see the USA) but they do, they have free speech, freedom of press, right to protest and all that jazz.

      Any patriot of the US touting how they’re awesome to be better then most of the middle East and much of Africa (which apparently they aren’t better when it comes to gun related crime and murder) isn’t setting the bar very high for themselves, as most countries are better then North Korea, most of the middle east and Africa. It’s not something to write home about.

      • bobplugh

        The vast majority of gun violence is in the center of major cities, right where the blacks are concentrated. It’s simple enough to reduce the chances of encountering someone – live in a state with a good 2nd amendment, carry your gun(s) with you, and stay out of big cities, especially during night time hours.

        • Vixxin

          …… I don’t think I should respond to this, but I have a bad habit of doing so.
          Yeah, no, places where there is a congregation of poor people, no matter the color of skin is where the most violent gun crime takes place.

          Your confirmation bias is showing.

          Or ya know, live in a country where gun violence is the least of your worries either because there is strict laws surrounding it or those who carry guns are trained to do so, not some average Joe who wants to shoot you because you looked at them funny. Or insulted their bible, or are in the wrong side of town.

          You’re also more likely to be murdered by someone you know. How does that fit into staying out of big cities where there are witnesses?

          But you just hold your gun at night while you sleep and fear everyone and everything forever.

          Seriously dude, do some research into violent gun statistics. America has a pretty damn bad report card. Specifically the bible belt areas.

          • bobplugh

            The highest rate of gun deaths occur due to two reasons. One is suicide and the other is gang violence. Since I control the 1st, the 2nd one is easiest to control by not living in a city. After that there are only minor wack jobs that I have to defend from and yes – if anyone breaks into my house at night they will die with no remorse whatsoever from me.

            As to the being murdered from someone I know – not going to happen – I pick and choose my friends more wisely than most.

            But as far as I am concerned, gun violence is farther from my mind than, say, the potential of a drunk driver, or a tractor trailer having an issue (there are many that could occur).

            From where I stand, getting rid of the scourge of this country – illegals – is probably the biggest threat this country has. Bigger than Russia, bigger than Iran, bigger than just about anything else around.

    • Ali2044

      What does “freedoms” even mean though? I’m mean seriously, it’s this nebulous concept that Americans go on and on about, but very few of them can really articulate what they consist of or what they are or why they value them. You can’t conduct a study without two variables and “freedoms” isn’t a measure of anything. If you wanted to compare gun ownership to freedom of speech then that would give you one result. If you wanted to compare gun ownership to the freedom to access excellent medical care regardless of income, that would probably give you a completely different result. If you wanted to compare gun ownership to religious freedom, that might give you something else again. “Freedom” is just a useless buzzword that the American people have been told repeatedly that they have and other countries don’t have. It exists purely so that the people in power don’t actually have to provide things like cheap healthcare and education because hey, “you’re free!” should be enough, right?

  • Patrick Spence

    BAN ALL GUNS

    • john robel

      COME AND GET THEM.

      • Patrick Spence

        I would love to

        • Joseph W. Stracener

          Plot twist, you can’t use one to do it.

  • Patrick Spence

    GUNS KILL PEOPLE

    • Joseph W. Stracener

      knives and blunt objects even more o.o

      • Patrick Spence

        actually, thats not true

      • Sarvepalli

        Knives and blunt objects are not the cause of our shameful gun death/injury rate that is higher than any other developed nation on Earth.

      • Chris D’alessandro

        Blunt objects are not specifically designed to cause massive bodily harm, like guns are…so…no…no they don’t.

        • Joseph W. Stracener

          That’s astonishing, how can something not designed to kill people kill more people than something designed to kill people? HMM.

          • Chris D’alessandro

            Knives and blunt objects have nowhere near the kill-rates that guns do.

          • ycajunorg

            They DO NOT. You are simply wrong!

      • ycajunorg

        WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. Look at the figures – you are simply wrong!!!

  • Troglodyte

    Just get rid of Detroit, L.A. and Chicago, and the U.S. falls about 48th in the world, crack down on gang violence and black crime, you will see a difference… Oh crap we can’t do that because we might offend someone, let’s just continue to blame the 80 million legal gun owners who haven’t committed a crime.

    • Ronald Reagan

      Please just kill yourself. This isn’t a joke or a threat. It’s advice. Kill yourself.

      • Troglodyte

        How enlightened of you, I thought the progressives were supposed to be the tolerant people, and ‘we’ gunowners the spawns of Satan, But I don’t want you, or anyone else dead, just because you have a different opinion, so no thanks, I will not heed your ‘advice’, I will keep on living, happily, while you stew in your own hate, and self loathing.

        • proudcarrier

          I wouldn’t mind him living next door to me so that I could put up a sign “I have nothing worth your dying for, but my neighbor will only call 911 and the average response time here is fifteen minutes.”

      • john robel

        Please drink some kool aid, you’re as about as Reagan as obama

        • Calboy

          actually Obama is more Reagan than Reagan

          1. Reagan was a serial tax raiser. As governor of California, Reagan “signed into law the largest tax increase in the history of any state up till then.” Meanwhile, state spending nearly doubled. As president, Reagan “raised taxes in seven of his eight years in office,” including four times in just two years. As former GOP Senator Alan Simpson, who called Reagan “a dear friend,” told NPR, “Ronald Reagan raised taxes 11 times in his administration — I was there.” “Reagan was never afraid to raise taxes,” said historian Douglas Brinkley, who edited Reagan’s memoir. Reagan the anti-tax zealot is “false mythology,” Brinkley said.

          2. Reagan nearly tripled the federal budget deficit. During the Reagan years, the debt increased to nearly $3 trillion, “roughly three times as much as the first 80 years of the century had done altogether.” Reagan enacted a major tax cut his first year in office and government revenue dropped off precipitously. Despite the conservative myth that tax cuts somehow increase revenue, the government went deeper into debt and Reagan had to raise taxes just a year after he enacted his tax cut. Despite ten more tax hikes on everything from gasoline to corporate income, Reagan was never able to get the deficit under control.

          3. Unemployment soared after Reagan’s 1981 tax cuts. Unemployment jumped to 10.8 percent after Reagan enacted his much-touted tax cut, and it took years for the rate to get back down to its previous level. Meanwhile, income inequality exploded. Despite the myth that Reagan presided over an era of unmatched economic boom for all Americans, Reagan disproportionately taxed the poor and middle class, but the economic growth of the 1980’s did little help them. “Since 1980, median household income has risen only 30 percent, adjusted for inflation, while average incomes at the top have tripled or quadrupled,” the New York Times’ David Leonhardt noted.

          4. Reagan grew the size of the federal government tremendously. Reagan promised “to move boldly, decisively, and quickly to control the runaway growth of federal spending,” but federal spending “ballooned” under Reagan. He bailed out Social Security in 1983 after attempting to privatize it, and set up a progressive taxation system to keep it funded into the future. He promised to cut government agencies like the Department of Energy and Education but ended up adding one of the largest — the Department of Veterans’ Affairs, which today has a budget of nearly $90 billion and close to 300,000 employees. He also hiked defense spending by over $100 billion a year to a level not seen since the height of the Vietnam war.

          5. Reagan did little to fight a woman’s right to choose. As governor of California in 1967, Reagan signed a bill to liberalize the state’s abortion laws that “resulted in more than a million abortions.” When Reagan ran for president, he advocated a constitutional amendment that would have prohibited all abortions except when necessary to save the life of the mother, but once in office, he “never seriously pursued” curbing choice.

          6. Reagan was a “bellicose peacenik.” He wrote in his memoirs that “[m]y dream…became a world free of nuclear weapons.” “This vision stemmed from the president’s belief that the biblical account of Armageddon prophesied nuclear war — and that apocalypse could be averted if everyone, especially the Soviets, eliminated nuclear weapons,” the Washington Monthly noted. And Reagan’s military buildup was meant to crush the Soviet Union, but “also to put the United States in a stronger position from which to establish effective arms control” for the the entire world — a vision acted out by Regean’s vice president, George H.W. Bush, when he became president.

          7. Reagan gave amnesty to 3 million undocumented immigrants. Reagan signed into law a bill that made any immigrant who had entered the country before 1982 eligible for amnesty. The bill was sold as a crackdown, but its tough sanctions on employers who hired undocumented immigrants were removed before final passage. The bill helped 3 million people and millions more family members gain American residency. It has since become a source of major embarrassment for conservatives.

          8. Reagan illegally funneled weapons to Iran. Reagan and other senior U.S. officials secretly sold arms to officials in Iran, which was subject to a an arms embargo at the time, in exchange for American hostages. Some funds from the illegal arms sales also went to fund anti-Communist rebels in Nicaragua — something Congress had already prohibited the administration from doing. When the deals went public, the Iran-Contra Affair, as it came to be know, was an enormous political scandal that forced several senior administration officials to resign.

          9. Reagan vetoed a comprehensive anti-Apartheid act. which placed sanctions on South Africa and cut off all American trade with the country. Reagan’s veto was overridden by the Republican-controlled Senate. Reagan responded by saying “I deeply regret that Congress has seen fit to override my veto,” saying that the law “will not solve the serious problems that plague that country.”

          10. Reagan helped create the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. Reagan fought a proxy war with the Soviet Union by training, arming, equipping, and funding Islamist mujahidin fighters in Afghanistan. Reagan funneled billions of dollars, along with top-secret intelligence and sophisticated weaponry to these fighters through the Pakistani intelligence service. The Talbian and Osama Bin Laden — a prominent mujahidin commander — emerged from these mujahidin groups Reagan helped create, and U.S. policy towards Pakistan remains strained because of the intelligence services’ close relations to these fighters. In fact, Reagan’s decision to continue the proxy war after the Soviets were willing to retreat played a direct role in Bin Laden’s ascendancy.

          • Sarvepalli

            Given the present extremism of the Repub Party, Reagan is more Obama than Reagan.

            Thanks for the info. I’ll be using it.

    • QueueTC

      Ah yes, it sure didn’t take long for someone to drag out the old racist trope that US gun violence is an ‘urban black person’ problem–and the real victims here are us law abiding white folk. Keep on believing that one Troglodyte. And ignore all the facts about suicide, domestic partner violence, and accidents.
      And if more guns are the solution (surely it must be), then why aren’t “those” people’s neighborhoods the safest places on earth?

      • john robel

        In the summer of 2013, after neighborhood watchman George Zimmerman, a Hispanic, was acquitted in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black teenager, the political left wanted to have a discussion about everything except the black crime rates that lead people to view young black males with suspicion. Presi­dent Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder wanted to talk about gun control. The NAACP wanted to talk about racial profiling. Assorted academics and MSNBC talking heads wanted to discuss poverty, “stand-your-ground” laws, unemployment and the supposedly racist criminal justice system. But any candid debate on race and criminality in the United States must begin with the fact that blacks are responsible for an astoundingly disproportionate number of crimes, which has been the case for at least the past half a century.

        Crime began rising precipitously in the 1960s after the Supreme Court, under Chief Justice Earl Warren, started tilting the scales in favor of the criminals. Some 63 percent of respondents to a Gallup poll taken in 1968 judged the Warren Court, in place from 1953 to 1969, too lenient on crime; but Warren’s jurisprudence was sup­ported wholeheartedly by the liberal intellectuals of that era, as well as by politicians who wanted to shift blame for criminal behavior away from the criminals. Popular books of the time, like Karl Menninger’s “The Crime of Punishment,” argued that “law and order” was an “inflammatory” term with racial overtones. “What it really means,” said Menninger, “is that we should all go out and find the n–– and beat them up.”

        The late William Stuntz, a Harvard law professor, addressed this history in his 2011 book, “The Collapse of American Criminal Justice.” “The lenient turn of the mid-twentieth century was, in part, the product of judges, prosecutors and politicians who saw criminal punishment as too harsh a remedy for ghetto violence,” wrote Mr. Stuntz. “The Supreme Court’s expansion of criminal defendants’ legal rights in the 1960s and after flowed from the Justices’ percep­tion that poor and black defendants were being victimized by a system run by white government officials. Even the rise of harsh drug laws was in large measure the product of reformers’ efforts to limit the awful costs illegal drug markets impose on poor city neighborhoods. Each of these changes flowed, in large measure, from the decisions of men who saw themselves as reformers. But their reforms showed an uncanny ability to take bad situations and make them worse.”

        Crime rates rose by 139 percent during the 1960s, and the murder rate doubled. Cities couldn’t hire cops fast enough. “The number of police per 1,000 people was up twice the rate of the population growth, and yet clearance rates for crimes dropped 31 percent and conviction rates were down 6 percent,” wrote Lucas A. Powe Jr. in “The Warren Court and American Politics,” his history of the Warren Court. “During the last weeks of his [1968] presidential campaign, Nixon had a favorite line in his standard speech. ‘In the past 45 minutes this is what happened in America. There has been one murder, two rapes, forty-five major crimes of violence, countless robberies and auto thefts.’”

        As remains the case today, blacks in the past were overrepre­sented among those arrested and imprisoned. In urban areas in 1967, blacks were 17 times more likely than whites to be arrested for robbery. In 1980 blacks comprised about one-eighth of the population but were half of all those arrested for murder, rape and robbery, according to FBI data. And they were between one-fourth and one-third of all those arrested for crimes such as burglary, auto theft and aggravated assault.

        Today blacks are about 13 percent of the population and continue to be responsible for an inordinate amount of crime. Between 1976 and 2005 blacks com­mitted more than half of all murders in the United States. The black arrest rate for most offenses — including robbery, aggravated assault and property crimes — is still typically two to three times their representation in the population. Blacks as a group are also overrepresented among persons arrested for so-called white-collar crimes such as counterfeiting, fraud and embezzlement. And blaming this decades-long, well-documented trend on racist cops, prosecutors, judges, sentencing guidelines and drug laws doesn’t cut it as a plausible explanation.

        “Even allowing for the existence of discrimination in the criminal justice system, the higher rates of crime among black Americans cannot be denied,” wrote James Q. Wilson and Richard Herrnstein in their classic 1985 study, “Crime and Human Nature.” “Every study of crime using official data shows blacks to be overrepresented among persons arrested, convicted, and imprisoned for street crimes.” This was true decades before the authors put it to paper, and it remains the case decades later.

        “The overrepresentation of blacks among arrested persons persists throughout the criminal justice system,” wrote Wilson and Herrnstein. “Though prosecutors and judges may well make discriminatory judgments, such decisions do not account for more than a small fraction of the overrepresentation of blacks in prison.” Yet liberal policy makers and their allies in the press and the academy consistently downplay the empirical data on black crime rates, when they bother to discuss them at all. Stories about the racial makeup of prisons are commonplace; stories about the excessive amount of black criminality are much harder to come by.

        “High rates of black violence in the late twentieth century are a matter of historical fact, not bigoted imagination,” wrote Mr. Stuntz. “The trends reached their peak not in the land of Jim Crow but in the more civilized North, and not in the age of segrega­tion but in the decades that saw the rise of civil rights for African Americans — and of African American control of city governments.” The left wants to blame these outcomes on racial animus and “the system,” but blacks have long been part of running that system. Black crime and incarceration rates spiked in the 1970s and ’80s in cities such as Baltimore, Cleveland, Detroit, Chicago, Philadelphia, Los Angeles and Washington under black mayors and black police chiefs. Some of the most violent cities in the United States today are run by blacks.

        Black people are not shooting each other at these alarming rates in Chicago and other urban areas because of our gun laws or our drug laws or a criminal justice system that has it in for them. The problem is primarily cultural — self-destructive behaviors and attitudes all too common among the black underclass. The problem is black criminal behavior, which is one manifestation of a black pathology that ultimately stems from the breakdown of the black family. Liberals want to talk about what others should do for blacks instead of what blacks should do for themselves. But if we don’t acknowledge the cultural barriers to black progress, how can we address them? How can you even begin to fix something that almost no one wants to talk about honestly?

        Jason Riley is a member of the Wall Street Journal Editorial Board

        • Sarvepalli

          Your filibustering comment notwithstanding, I find it interesting that you conveniently never mention the high rate of poverty among the black community. Higher than any other demographic. Gun crime tends to follow poverty rather than race. You can find high rates of gun crime in nearly every area of the nation that is rife with poverty including “white” areas. this has always been the case among our poorer immigrant communities. Our history of immigration by poor Italians, Irish, and more will bear this out.

          Racists will claim that such poverty is the result of black laziness or some such nonsense. But that overlooks the fact that this nation became an economic capitalist powerhouse between the Revolutionary War and Civil War solely because of black slave labor in the cotton fields. Meanwhile, the rest of us enjoy the fruit of that slave labor even today while the ancestors of those slaves are relegated to the ghetto and criticized for having to resort to crime to survive.

          And I won’t even go into the fact that they are the only immigrant group that had their culture and families torn from them upon entry through official policies that turned them into a commodity.

          • EvylRyde

            Just two quick questions with regards to the slave trade aspect that I’m sure you’ll have a well prepared answer for. 1. (Specifically regarding the African slave trade that was set up by European countries) Who was it exactly that captured and gathered the black slaves to have them waiting on the shores of Africa? (here’s a quick hint: Not white men). 2. Are blacks the only group to have been entered into an involuntary enslavement? (another quick hint: read European history before medieval times, Asian history, and Russian history).

            Thank you and goodnight.

          • gofer1

            Being poor is the reason for killing people? Hard to believe you actually believe that, while totally ignoring the gang culture. Do you know what the culture was at that time, in Africa? It has been documented by British explorers and 75% of them were already slaves to kings and nobles while cannibalism was a common practice as was human sacrifice. The most shocking thing was they did not know what love was, even among family members who offered up their own children. I suspect a lot of slaves were saved from certain death by being sold to the traders by their own people, just as they were regularly sold and traded among tribes.

            The truth is hard to stomach.

          • Sarvepalli

            Your opinions are hard to stomach.

            You’re wrong on so many different levels that I wouldn’t know where to begin even if I wanted to. However it is worth noting the irony in this sentence, “The most shocking thing was they did not know what love was, even among family members who offered up their own children (to slavery).” Ironic because Thomas Jefferson sold his own son and grandson into slavery.

            Have a good day gofer1 and let us give thanks for the 1st Amendment.

          • Josh Porter

            Source on the Jefferson thing?

          • Sarvepalli

            “Master of the Mountain: Thomas Jefferson and His Slaves”
            September 3, 2013 by Henry Wiencek

            =======================================================

            “The Half Has Never Been Told: Slavery and the Making of American Capitalism”
            2014 by Edward E. Baptist

          • Brandon Truong-Phan

            “The most shocking thing was they did not know what love was…”

            Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one, and yours is particularly shitty and needs a good cleansing. Please provide legitimate academic sources for this preposterously ludirous statement.

          • bobplugh

            Oh, but it does have to do with ability If you look at statistics, blacks as a race, have a lower overall IQ than White, Asians, and many others. So, while there are always some at the top of the curve, the entire curve is, indeed, shifted to the left for blacks.

          • Ali2044

            No, they don’t. IQ is not genetic so can’t be racially determined. It is largely the result of environmental factors including family environment, early childhood nutrition/abuse/trauma/education etc. If a particular race experiences more impoverishment due to things like, oh I don’t know, a history of slavery and systematic oppression, then you will see that reflected in outcomes including IQ. Given that IQ tests are not even universally acknowledged as being all that useful given that they test things that white, Western males (who designed the tests) consider to be useful signifiers of intelligence, there is not a single reputable psychological researcher who would support your ridiculous assertion. And I say this as a psychologist. But feel free to provide even the slightest shred of evidence to support your view.

          • Donnie Robertson

            ALI2044 asks: “But feel free to provide even the slightest shred of evidence to support your view.”

            All one need to is watch the news from Los Angeles. The “mammas” speak the language of the street and all seem to feel….: My baby be a gud boy what the po-lease keeps followin and arrestin witffout any reason! He be a gud boy what was home prayin to jeezus when dat sto’ gots robbed. They be settin him up fo no reason! I gonna be having him and me a lawyer man whats gonna sue for diskriminashayun. Yous kin bet that the po-lease hates we’uns and truff be saided we’uns hates dem po-lease.

            Blithering idiots SOUND like blithering idiots!

          • Cindi T

            and blithering racists sound like blithering racists. You, Donnie and gofer are blithering racists.

          • Donnie Robertson

            All one need do is LISTEN to the blacks of (example – not all inclusive) Los Angeles, CA …. Compton, CA ….. Chicago, IL …. Philadelphia, PA to name a few and it is evident their jargon, accents and demeanor is “black street talk” that confirms they have been raised by parents who are proud to appear and sound like blithering idiots.

            “Yea when my bros Tayshaun, Deron, Rau’shee, Raynell, Deontay, Taraje, Jozy, Kerron, Hyleas, Chaunte, Bershawn, Lashawn, Sanya, Trevell, Sheena, Ogonna, Dremiel gets hear we be goin ta kicks us some cracker butt. We be tired ov beein kept down and dem people gonna pay.”

            THAT is mild compared to the monkey-boy, knuckle dragging scumbags plastered across news media DAILY!

          • http://leftwingrage.com/ Clayton Shea Mason-Mileto

            no different than the confederate flag waving rednecks of the south and their violent heritage they hold so dear. Have a conversation with them sometime and listen to the oozing violence they speak of.

        • Yechiel Shlipshon

          I have this trinity of words, if acted on, can help avoid problems; Self respect, respect, acceptance of responsibility. Try them, you shall love them.

        • Jean

          What do you say to the studies where black people are pulled over far more frequently to be searched for drugs and the like, and are found not to be carrying anything, whereas a higher percentage of whites are (but are not checked as frequently)?

          Does that not indicate to you that surely part of the reason why their might be an “overrepresentation of blacks” is because people are LOOKING for reasons to lock them up?

          The numbers might even out a bit if people expected white people to be criminals the same way they seem to expect black people to be criminals.

          • j-dub

            As an African American I used to become easily upset over what I would think was my race being mistreated because of the color of their skin, but when you gather your information from biased sources one tends to get that kind of impression. Truth is that many African Americans that get pulled over because they fit the description of the major population of criminals are today. At one time it was young single white men around their mid twenties, and now its a majority of my race that is committing these crimes. It pains me at times to admit it but its true, but after some time it will be Asians, then Mexicans, then Whites, etc…. and the cycle will continue.

          • Donnie Robertson

            SIMPLY because the “black people” when pulled over far more frequently to be searched for drugs and the like,…. HAVE DRUGS! The contention that they never have drugs is ridiculous. If you watch pro-black they show only the “po boys” who were pulled over for supposedly no reason. Selective reporting can make even ISIS look pure as the driven snow.

            Focus is on the abused ‘black people” because that is where CRIME THRIVES! Take a gander at the “big cities” across the country and I GUARANTEE blacks and brown are at the top of the CRIMINAL ACTIVITY lists!

            I bees so sicks ov seein dem balck folk persecuted by the establishment. Dem BLACK PANTHERS just bees folk what wanna help other folk dispose of their hard earned “goods”! Pee-Pee on ‘em.

          • proudcarrier

            A trooper I knew spent a morning sitting by the side of the highway. He pulled four cars over. He searched two cars after talking to and releasing two drivers. In each of those two cars, he found about 10 kilos of cocaine in their trunks. Both black drivers were released, because the policeman was found by a judge to have been ‘profiling’. Although lawsuits were filed, the cocaine was not returned.

            Profiling on this day produced 100% accurate stops. Why do so many policemen want to use it? It works.

            I worked beside a fine young black man for a couple years, and he lost two friends in that time. One was shot and the other died in a high speed chase, running from police because he had a few ounces of weed on him and a long prior drug record. They made some bad choices and put themselves in bad situations, unlike the guy I worked with. Bad choices = high risk of death and a less than nice living. Good choices tend toward a much better and productive life.

      • likeyoudontalreadyknow

        It’s not an “urban black problem.” It’s a “cities with the most restrictive gun control laws” problem. Criminals have no fear in those cities because they don’t have to worry so much about the victims shooting back.

    • likeyoudontalreadyknow

      Agreed! Cities with the most restrictive gun control measures also have the highest death rates due to gun crime. That’s because honest, law-abiding citizens have no means to defend themselves….and the gun-carrying criminals know that!

      • D-Man

        We don’t live in your fantasy world where everyone’s a crack shot cowboy. And to answer your straw man you basically do what we already do, wait until they are done shooting and then tackle them. Australia has proved no assault guns=no shooting sprees. And seeing as the majority of crazy shooters end up turning the gun on themselves, more guns usually doesn’t do anything but add to the chaos, just like Waco. Keep the guns in the police station (or very least in the vehicle) like all the other civilized countries, if you get a report of shooting, then obviously use them, and we have plenty of nonlethal guns and weapons in case you weren’t aware of modern technology.

        • likeyoudontalreadyknow

          What is your definition of “assault gun?”

        • Donnie Robertson

          LAUGHING UNTIL I WET MY DEPENDS!

          “We don’t live in your fantasy world where everyone’s a crack shot cowboy. And to answer your straw man you basically do what we already do, wait until they are done shooting and then tackle them.” YEA RIGHT “BRO”! That’ll work! Put of a video of how YOU doo’eded that; it should make hilarious viewing at “yo’ funeral”!

          • D-Man

            Let me know when and where you plan to hold your next shooting spree and I’ll show you personally, gramps.

      • Douglas Green

        BS. In Chicago their is one gun store who sells right outside the City limits of Chicago, his guns result in 95% of all gun deaths in Chicago. Why his because of greed he doesn’t give a damn.
        Gun control however want work unless it’s nationwide.

        • likeyoudontalreadyknow

          I call BULLSHIT right back. 95%? Are you fucking kidding me? Most gun murders in Chicago are from illegally obtained guns, not from a single gun store. If you dispute this, let’s see your “facts.” Where to you get that statistic? What is the name of the gun store?

          Lastly, even if part of what you say is true, you are proving my point. Taking away guns from law abiding citizens makes them MORE vulnerable to violent crime – not LESS.

          • Daniel P Wickham

            So why is the usa so different from europe? Are you saying that americans cant feel safe without a gun in the hipholster? If it works in europe why won´t it work in the USA. Are you less capable? Are you genetically inferior or is it that the NRA is very big and powerful and you have just turned the corner from being hillbilly cowboys who needed a gun to shoot wild injuns? Heres the good news, you wiped them all out.There´s no more danger from them. Oh, ok, I get it, you had a load of black slaves you havent fully redressed and so they are eking out their vengeance slowly but surely and its just like the injun situation. Well, you reap what you sow. Cmon guys, make some sense. In europe we had slaves too and they don´t have this chip on their shoulder.

          • Donnie Robertson

            “So why is the usa so different from europe?”

            EUROPE is full of ridiculous GUN LAWS! So criminals use baseball bats, pipes, knives and a multitude of other “tools” to beat and kill!

            The crappy mutterings about EUROPE being safe because their people have no firearms is BULLY-CHIT!

            Britain’s violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed.

            Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa – widely considered one of the world’s most dangerous countries.

            The figures comes on the day new Home Secretary Alan Johnson makes his first major speech on crime, promising to be tough on loutish behavior

            The figures, compiled from reports released by the European Commission and United Nations, also show:

            The UK has the second highest overall crime rate in the EU.

            It has a higher homicide rate than most of our western European neighbours, including France, Germany, Italy and Spain.

            The UK has the fifth highest robbery rate in the EU.

            It has the fourth highest burglary rate and the highest absolute number of burglaries in the EU, with double the number of offences than recorded in Germany and France.

            But it is the naming of Britain as the most violent country in the EU that is most shocking. The analysis is based on the number of crimes per 100,000 residents.

            In the UK, there are 2,034 offences per 100,000 people, way ahead of second-placed Austria with a rate of 1,677.

            EUROPE “SAFE”???? HOGWASH PURE AND SIMPLE!

          • Daniel P Wickham

            Oh, sorry, I beg your forgiveness , people in the usa only get shot, you don´t have knives or baseball bats (?) to hit people with and of course nobody raids anyone elses home. How stupid can a comment get.

        • Donnie Robertson

          95%??? Seriously in doubt. But continue with the fairly tale!

          • proudcarrier

            95% ?!?! If that were true, the Chicago PD would shut them down so fast, everyone’s heads would spin. A totally ridiculous statement.

          • Douglas Green

            on the day the guns were bought but as Evans the game waiter was with him and pick the guns out himself

          • Douglas Green

            Conservatives this is why I and most of the known world hate you all. Facts you disregard and base everything on this belief that somehow you all are more intelligent than the rest of society but outside of your own narrow minded group people think you all ass dumb as a rock. But continue the stupidity. I would imagine Jefferson if alive today would say ” You must be ignorant to try and solve todays problems based our solutions of 1776.”

        • Donnie Robertson

          DESERVES TO BE REPEATED since it is correct:

          likeyoudontalreadyknow Douglas Green • SAID just a month ago:

          “I call BULLSHIT right back. 95%? Are you fucking kidding me? Most gun murders in Chicago are from illegally obtained guns, not from a single gun store. If you dispute this, let’s see your “facts.” Where to you get that statistic? What is the name of the gun store?”

          “Lastly, even if part of what you say is true, you are proving my point. Taking away guns from law abiding citizens makes them MORE vulnerable to violent crime – not LESS.

          Pretty much nailed it there “likeyoudontalreadyknow Douglas Green” WELL SAID! VERY WELL SAID!

          • Douglas Green

            the name of the gun shop is called chucks gun shop? it was rated as the nation’s number one source of crime guns?
            its current inFamy, yes for the guns winding up at crime scenes over 1,500 guns that were recovered and traced to crimes in Chicago over the past 5 years.
            Chuck’s gun shop has never face criminal charges despite mounting evidence that is a surplus store for criminal activity in Chicago.
            officer Michael Cordell was all a drug surveillance in a housing project when he was fatally shot with a 357 magnum that was gun shop? a straw buyer name Ezra Evans purchased in late 1997? they said the Magnum was one of nine guns purchased by Evans on that day for James Jackson Gangster Disciples gang leader?
            police officers family tried to sue Chuck’s gun shop stating that the gun that killed their son was sold under circumstances that should have worded that this was a straw purchase made for the benefit of the gangster disciple street gang..
            the lawsuit was dismissed.

            it appears to me that our side is trying to solve the problem! your side wants to point the problem and bitch about it? if you don’t have a Quit your bitchin.

    • Yechiel Shlipshon

      You know something; if you try hard enough, you can blame the patient for the Doctor’s bad days. You being innocent means nothing, if someone has a hard noise for a political agenda.

  • MissingInfo

    I couldn’t find the additional data that talked about suicides… because the FBI documented that in 2012, fully 61% of all firearm deaths were due to suicides… kind of puts a different perspective on things…

    • Sarvepalli

      Surely you’re not suggesting that gun suicide isn’t worth consideration?

      • Joseph W. Stracener

        People will use the best available tool when offing themselves. If it wasn’t a gun, it would have been something else. How do gun suicides compare to the total suicide rate and items? How does gun crime compare to all violent crime? How do gun deaths compare to all assault deaths?

        It’s minute. A distraction. It is so far down that the only reason to pursue it before any actual issues is because someone’s critical thinking ability has been impaired. These sort of articles are framed to entrap the low information voter.

        • Sarvepalli

          So gun suicide is a “distraction”. Nevermind the fact that suicide by gun precludes any second chance. Nevermind the fact that most gun death is by suicide as per the CDC. It’s not minute as you would have others believe.

          A distraction is when a gun enthusiast resorts to trying to change the subject to other means of violent death. It’s along the same lines that the NRA cult uses to distract by claiming that bats, bottles, knives, cars etc. can kill too.

          This sort of sophistry is used in order to distract from the fact that the U.S. has the highest rate of gun death/injury of all other developed nations. Other objects of death are not the cause of our shameful gun death/injury rate. Unfortunately, you would have us believe that we can do nothing about it.

          And then you have the gall to resort to ad hominem arguments by questioning other’s “critical thinking ability” or as “low info voters”. Attacking those you disagree with rather than addressing the issue is a sure sign of a weak position.

          • Joseph W. Stracener

            I’m astonished that you would so casually dismiss all of the vastly more prevalent forms of violent death to focus on the one that occurs the least. I prefer to look at the whole and focus my attention and resources where they will have the most impact. Not solely on the smallest segment.

            Unlike low information voters.

          • ycajunorg

            You do not quote any figures for your ‘vastly more prevalent forms of violent death’ so I will do it for you- in 2013 ( a typical year – in fact quite a low year in the homicide stats )) there were 14,196 homicides in the USA – 11,419 were killed with firearms. Over 80% of all homicides were carried out with firearms. Now would you like to rephrase your statement as it is obvious you got it completely the wrong way round?

  • lothur

    From the World Health Organization
    The latest Murder Statistics for the world:
    Murders per 100,000 citizens per year.

    Honduras 91.6 (WOW!!)
    El Salvador 69.2
    Cote d’lvoire 56.9
    Jamaica 52.2
    Venezuela 45.1
    Belize 41.4
    US Virgin Islands 39.2
    Guatemala 38.5
    Saint Kitts and Nevis 38.2
    Zambia 38.0
    Uganda 36.3
    Malawi 36.0
    Lesotho 35.2
    Trinidad and Tobago 35.2
    Colombia 33.4
    South Africa 31.8
    Congo 30.8
    Central African Republic 29.3
    Bahamas 27.4
    Puerto Rico 26.2
    Saint Lucia 25.2
    Dominican Republic 25.0
    Tanzania 24.5
    Sudan 24.2
    Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 22.9
    Ethiopia 22.5
    Guinea 22.5
    Dominica 22.1
    Burundi 21.7
    Democratic Republic of the Congo 21.7
    Panama 21.6
    Brazil 21.0
    Equatorial Guinea 20.7
    Guinea-Bissau 20.2
    Kenya 20.1
    Kyrgyzstan 20.1
    Cameroon 19.7
    Montserrat 19.7
    Greenland 19.2
    Angola 19.0
    Guyana 18.6
    Burkina Faso 18.0
    Eritrea 17.8
    Namibia 17.2
    Rwanda 17.1
    Mexico 16.9
    Chad 15.8
    Ghana 15.7
    Ecuador 15.2
    North Korea 15.2
    Benin 15.1
    Sierra Leone 14.9
    Mauritania 14.7
    Botswana 14.5
    Zimbabwe 14.3
    Gabon 13.8
    Nicaragua 13.6
    French Guiana 13.3
    Papua New Guinea 13.0
    Swaziland 12.9
    Bermuda 12.3
    Comoros 12.2
    Nigeria 12.2
    Cape Verde 11.6
    Grenada 11.5
    Paraguay 11.5
    Barbados 11.3
    Togo 10.9
    Gambia 10.8
    Peru 10.8
    Myanmar 10.2
    Russia 10.2
    Liberia 10.1
    Costa Rica 10.0
    Nauru 9.8
    Bolivia 8.9
    Mozambique 8.8
    Kazakhstan 8.8
    Senegal 8.7
    Turks and Caicos Islands 8.7
    Mongolia 8.7
    British Virgin Islands 8.6
    Cayman Islands 8.4
    Seychelles 8.3
    Madagascar 8.1
    Indonesia 8.1
    Mali 8.0
    Pakistan 7.8
    Moldova 7.5
    Kiribati 7.3
    Guadeloupe 7.0
    Haiti 6.9
    Timor-Leste 6.9
    Anguilla 6.8
    Antigua and Barbuda 6.8
    Lithuania 6.6
    Uruguay 5.9
    Philippines 5.4
    Ukraine 5.2
    Estonia 5.2
    Cuba 5.0
    Belarus 4.9
    Thailand 4.8
    Suriname 4.6
    Laos 4.6
    Georgia 4.3
    Martinique 4.2
    And ………
    The United States 4.2 !!!!!

    ALL (109) of the countries above America,
    HAVE 100% gun bans.

    It might be of interest to note that SWITZERLAND is not shown on this list, because it has…NO MURDER OCCURRENCE!

    However, SWITZERLAND’S law requires that EVERYONE:
    1. Own a gun.
    2. Maintain Marksman qualifications … regularly .

    • Rees Britton

      Honduras does NOT have a gun ban much less a 100% ban… keep trying!

    • Florian Schneider

      Dont you dare pull Switzerland into this. Yes we have a lot of guns but NO FUCKING AMMUNITION. Stop talking about things you dont understand. We are free and dont have to live in the constant fear of getting shot every day. We dont need to tell ourselfs that we are better than everyone else because we are a more mature society and at least we are not as fucked up as the US.

      • Camren Hansen

        As an American who wants our country to speak about gun control, I truly thank you for your comment. I’m so sick of morons who pull out the Switzerland argument. Either way, I don’t think our society is near that maturity yet or even close. Hell, after 23 kids were shot and killed no politician had the balls to take on the fucked up NRA. It’s a joke here.

        • John Burns

          no one had the balls to begin having someone armed and taking the gun free killing zone away where the lunatics that want to kill will not kill.

          • Sarvepalli

            Advocating that guns should be allowed in schools, churches, hospitals, grocery stores or other “Gun Free Zones” is absurd. The NRA cult has created the euphemism “Gun Free Zone” in order to obscure the fact that their argument would be obviously ridiculous if they actually said outright that they want more guns EVERYWHERE. How else would they be able to keep the arms industry in business.

            The fact is that the NRA cult is little more than a front group for the arms industry and their push for guns everywhere is the proof.

          • Gunut

            The blame is held by the corrupt justice system that encourages crime by protecting the criminal and punishing the law-abiding. From politicians to judges, to cuts to police departments in order to give local government officials raises and more vacation money, people have no one to defend us but ourselves, and until reform of both local and state government, we the people have to protect ourselves from anyone wishing to do harm. But truth is not what your after, NRA cult, really? you have no clue what the NRA is really about or what they even do nation wide.

            Firearm death happens every 37 minutes, a rape happens every 6 seconds this according to the FBI. Criminals and the mentally unstable having access to firearms is the problem, the reason liberals and progressives can’t admit to this is because they are the reason for their ease of access, NOT the NRA, NRA wants criminals and the mentally unstable peoples access removed from society, prosecuted, laws designed to stop gang violence, enforced, laws already on the books to stop the Adam Lanzas, enforced. You think an “Assault Weapons” ban will fix it, we’ve had an “Assault Weapons” ban since 1932, It’s called the National Firearms Act! 2011 80,000 people were denied firearm purchase through background checks, 44 of those prosecuted, how many of the rest obtained firearms and committed crimes?

            Instead of whining and crying about how many people have guns, lets shout about how disgusted we are about how the criminal justice system continually allows felons to obtain illegally purchased firearms, to obtain firearms confiscated in crimes to be used in other crimes. Officials turning people like Trayvon Martins loose on the street so your crime stats look good to the public.

            Your blaming the wrong people, my friend. But thats how the system works, keep you focused on anything but the real problem, so business can continue as usual, and you are oblivious to the real threat. Trust me, it’s not the law-abiding gun owner you need to worry about.

          • Sam Roan

            The NRA showed it’s full of shit when it banned guns from it’s own convention in certain areas. They know some of their members their are nuts. They just don’t know which ones because they don’t want background checks. And why leave Switzerland out, just because they figured it out?

          • Gunut

            Oh, so you would rather NRA members break local laws and ordinances in order to “save face” in your eyes? Spin it how you like, but what it really shows, is how responsible the NRA and it’s members really are! If you were a gun owner you would know we already have a “background check” system in place, it’s just not enforced by the Federal government when someone fails the background check when trying to purchace a firearm! So, it pretty obvious who’s really full of shit…Sam!

          • Donnie Robertson

            Advocating that guns should be allowed in schools, churches, hospitals, grocery stores or other “Gun Free Zones” is absurd.

            NOT ABSURD! If your pathetic life is ever saved by a citizen carrying a LEGALLY PERMITTED FIREARM you had best THANK HE OR SHE! YOUR pathetic crybaby crap won’t do a THING to stop the assault! MY GUN WILL PAL!

          • Rhadakrishnan

            Yeah, and IF frogs had wings they wouldn’t bump their ass. Your ABSURD hypothetical is so far out in EXTREME RIGHT field that that it makes you look like a RAVING LUNATIC.

            Such rants cannot substitute for sound national policies on firearms which, to date, we don’t have.

          • Rhadakrishnan

            You’re very young for your age aren’t you Donnie Boy. When you finally grow up and do away with your ridiculous John Wayne fantasies, we’ll talk. Until then we don’t have anything else to say to each other.

          • Douglas Green

            Hey man I agree with you they don’t have enough sense to know that this way of thinking is exactly why in the near future everyone will need a tank to be safe. Mark my word somewhere one of the John Waynes are going to make a mistake and shoot and kill an innocent person.

        • bobplugh

          It’s really the drop in money for mental health care that has allowed people like this to get guns. That and people not taking proper care of their personal firearms (and these people are in the vast minority).

          If you look at shootings like this historically there really has been almost no difference, the biggest issue now is the “round the world” instant communication system that lets everyone know what’s going on everywhere instantaneously.

        • Donnie Robertson

          YOU PEOPLE SICKEN ME! Just what the F-U-C-K will imposing new laws on the LAW ABIDING DO?? It is NOT GUN OWNERS who set bail so low virtually even a career criminal can be out in 24 hours! LAW ABIDING MEANS JUST THAT “LAW ABIDING” and no gawddamned law ill make them MORE LAW ABIDING! NOR WILL laws imposed on the LAW ABIDING do a F-U-C-K-I-N-G THING TO DETER CRIMINALS from breaking the law!

      • john robel

        If you define “mature” as, having a huge and growing muslim problem, a population of “law abiding” people unable to do jack shit about it, a government foolish enough to encourage it, well, that speaks for itself. I guess you can boing them with watch springs or throw chocolate at the problem. WE WILL NEVER HAVE THAT PROBLEM.

        • Christopher Fisher

          You sir, are a classic example of a person who should NOT have a gun. You are clearly unstable and present a threat to yourself and those around you.

        • Sam Roan

          We the people have religious freedom. Also 1/3 of the world is muslim. If they wanted you, they could get you. Columbine, Oklahoma city, Sandy Hook. Muslims don’t corner the market on crazy. How many people were killed by the 9/11 attacks. It’s a drop in the bucket compared to how many of our own we kill. The guy is right. YOU are the kind of person who doesn’t need a gun. Unstable, bigot, hot headed, kind of simple. Yeah we’d all feel safer with you around.

      • Donnie Robertson

        FLORINA! You don’t have AMMUNITION but you have the highest rate OF ILLEGAL AMMUNITION known to man! Switzerland is a land of pussies who believe THE GOVERNMENT KNOWS BEST! That alone is BULLY-CHIT!

    • Sarvepalli

      The list above is all third world, undeveloped nations. It’s a shame that we’ve descended to the point that we have to compare ourselves favorably to third world nations in order to defend the indefensible. More accurate would be to compare ourselves to developed, first world nations like Italy, France, Spain, England, Netherlands, Australia, etc. In that regard the U.S. has the highest rate of gun death/injury of all other developed nations.

      And regarding Switzerland whose murder rate is much lower than the U.S. It’s worth noting that Switzerland allows their citizens gun rights but at the same time they are able to pass effective gun safety regs. We can’t because unlike Switzerland, we have an NRA cult that obstructs, filibusters, and loopholes all regs through the efforts of their legally bribed politicians. Nor does Switzerland have a 2nd Amendment while at the same time allowing gun rights. We could learn a lot from Switzerland if we could overcome the destructive NRA cult.

      • Sam Roan

        Oh come on. The NRA isn’t so bad. Hell they don’t even let their members pack a loaded gun at their convention. They just want you to be able to pack a loaded gun where they won’t be shot by an idiot. Sounds like a good move for the NRA. They are at least smart enough to know they aren’t safe.

  • bstacy

    I’m late to the game here – just saw this article. My 2 cents is that you aren’t doing much of a balanced graph in comparing the ‘high income’ countries with gun violence because most countries have quite strict gun laws and not the militia minded 2nd amendment. Now. if you include all homicides / murders with any weapon in accordance to population size may show a better comparison. Why is there such a bias for gun owners, the majority are law abiding. It’s just too bad so many are available for criminal intentions, that’s my only pause.

  • Diane

    At the risk opening a flood gate here but has anyone ever noticed or wondered if immigration had an impact on the occurance of gun violence in the US? If you look at the gun violence rates of ALL countries, regardless of economics, most south and central countries are right up at the top, far above even the US. Now, if we factor in immigration from these countries to the US, especially in recent years, has it affected the gun violence ratio? Just curious….

    • Sarvepalli

      A more relevant issue is the fact that most guns obtained by Mexican drug cartels come from the U.S. So maybe the gun death/injury rate in Mexico might be because of lax gun regs in the U.S. rather than the other way around as you’ve suggested.

      • Diane

        Perhaps, from a Mexico point of view, but that wasn’t my question or suggestion at all. My question was in regard to central and south American countries that have even higher gun violence rates than we do (Mexico is neither central nor south America) and the recent influx of immigrants, both legal and illegal, from these countries…..

        • Sarvepalli

          If we’re to make comparisons then it should be among developed nations like ourselves. Central/South American nations are not considered developed nations. Honduras has the highest rate of gun death/injury in the world. Should we compare ourselves to that undeveloped, Central American nation in order to make our shameful gun death/injury rate look better?

          It’s sad that we’ve descended to the point that we have to resort to comparing ourselves favorably to nations like Honduras instead of developed nations like Italy, Spain, Netherlands, Australia, France, Switzerland, England, etc. Of all developed nations we have the highest rate of gun death/injury and that’s a statistic that no one including the NRA cult is denying.

          • Diane

            I was not comparing us to these undeveloped nations, or any nation for that matter. No offense here but did you actually read what I said and comprehend it? I did NOT compare us to any of them in any way or deny any statistic, I only asked if anyone had considered the influx of immigration to the US from these countries when considering this statistic; it stands to reason that it could, and probably does have at least some bearing. When people immigrate they bring with them ideas, beliefs, behaviors, etc from their native land, whether that land is considered developed or not.

          • Sarvepalli

            I see your point and it’s a good one. Thanks for the clarification and advice. I’ll read more closely next time.

            In fact, your point is one of the reasons given for the high gun death/injury rate in Chicago. The Mexican Suarez cartel relocated to Chicago because it’s centrally located for distribution. And there’s a direct correlation to when the cartel moved there and the rate of death/injury escalating.

            However, it does raise an interesting question. The developed nations I mentioned might feel the same about those who immigrate from the U.S. given our high rate of gun death/injury. It works both ways.

  • callmechaz

    Perhaps “Vivek Murthy, a renowned Boston-based physician” should address a REAL public health threat in his own sphere of expertise. The Journal of Patient Safety estimates there are between 210,000-440,000 deaths due to poor hospital related care. Oh, but 8,000 gun deaths are so much more sensational! And it takes the heat off the medical community so they can continue to ignore their own little disaster. Reality is that gun deaths pale by comparison to most everyday fatalities, like drunk driving. Priorities, gentlemen, priorities.

    • Sarvepalli

      Hospitals, DUI etc. are not the cause of our shameful gun death/injury rate that is higher than all other developed nations. Your priorities are misplaced. Focus on the issue at hand instead of trying to change the issue to other priorities.

  • SPOTSOTW@GMAIL.COM

    You guys are really spin doctors. Gun violence. How about all violence. Russia has a very low rate of gun ownership, however their murder rate is 5X that of The USA. Also. FACT taken directly from the New York City Police Department internet site, statistics of all violent crimes broken down by type of crime and then by race. When you take all the numbers from all the violent crimes add them together and keep them separated by only race this is what you get. Between 87% and 93% of all violent crimes in New York City are committed by blacks and/or hispanics. Period. I don’t think any more of an explanation is necessary.

    • Vixxin

      Yes, that has nothing to do with the rates of poverty among that race. Nope, they’re just genetically predisposed to be assholes, right?

      New York is not America. That speaks for very little to use that as a defense.

      Also, it’s not hard to be better then Russia, just as it isn’t hard to be better then North Korea or most of Africa.

      • SPOTSOTW@GMAIL.COM

        You know jearkoff I grew up poor in the Bronx. I did not I did not go into a life of crime. You know I never even mugged any body. You Know why When I got home my father would beat the crap out of me if he found out. You know life intimates art what is the most confusing day in harlem ‘FATHER’S DAY’ Apparently you have the memory of a goldfish you know 1.5 seconds. When Dinkins the mens room attendant was mayor he ordered the NYPD not to arrest panhandlers and do you remember one of dinkins aids sonny carson a convicted murderer helped him to take businesses from the Koreans? Now let’s not forget the LIRR shooter who said he waited for the train to get out of NYC to shoot people so dinkins would not get blamed ,BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT, every word out of your mouth is BULLSHIT. Now this is not hearsay I was there. You guys should ought be sent back to Africa you guys borne here would die in Africa because over there if you do not work you die or get eaten. The Africans who come here now should be ashamed they might even be related to you, you know why? THEY WORK FOR A LIVING. You should try it. They hold their own by working, I guess the possibility of being eaten by a lion would give you enough of a push to work. So tell me how you feel about what I said. First the guys coming over now work you know why and they should be treated as well as you have been. They will put you to shame.

        • Vixxin

          That response was incredibly non-sequitur.
          I had a hard time understanding what you’re even trying to say.

          But from what I did gather, you just proved my point. You’re saying the cultural based indignation that is a stereotype prevalent in America. among blacks and Hispanics is the problem. Which is my point. It has nothing to do with race, but the said cultures situation in America, which is usually poverty stricken.. That was my fault if it came across as if poverty is ALWAYS the cause, because it’s not. But it does contribute to it in many cases with statistical evidence to show that it is very often related. That’s what I was trying to say.

          Basically generations of racism, poverty caused the ghetto culture.

          And for the record, I’m not even African or black, so I don’t know why you jumped down my throat as if it’s relevant to the discussion

  • Guest

    Over 60% of those firearm deaths in the US are suicides…not crimes of violence. This is a mental health issue, not a gun control issue.

    • Sarvepalli

      Are you claiming that gun suicide is not worth consideration in our total gun death/injury rate? Your effort to minimize gun suicide in order to defend the indefensible speaks volumes.

  • Mamma i Tr.heim

    And yet so many Americans still insist that the solution is more guns…

  • Rob

    “What can the US learn from strategies these countries are taking to address gun violence?”

    Nothing. “A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.”

    No strategies allowed. Sorry.

    • Chris D’alessandro

      Honestly, I kinda hate our Founding Father’s for putting those last four words at the end…because of them, there’s little we can do to curtail this ridiculous trend.

      • Vixxin

        Realize though the guns they had back then and the conditions they were under. This should of been amended years ago when automatic weapons were even available.

        The founding fathers had the rules at least somewhat correct for their day and age. The real flaw is that anyone would ever think rules from even 50 years ago still make complete and total sense with no reason to change it, or at least make it more clear.

        Also, a well-regulated militia should be people TRAINED to handle guns, not some regular joe who thinks his neighbor is out to get him. A lot of people bring up Switzerland as a card to show that lots of guns works, but everyone there is trained, or only has it for hunting. Even still, they have higher gun related deaths and crimes then their stricter neighbors, so it still proves the point that while people kill people, the gun is a sure helps.

  • likeyoudontalreadyknow

    “The US has higher rates of homicides from guns than Pakistan”.

    Yeah, it’s kind of hard for guns to beat out car bombs there.

  • Henry Mason

    Okay to be fair about this why don’t you add all those that were slaughter by their Governments right after their guns were taken away. I guarantee you outside of a war unless the war was started by taking the guns the United State would be Saints by comparison to the other countries so this study is flawed already.

    56,000,000 people were slaughtered after the guns were taken from the people. Chine, Soviet Union and Germany led this with the most.

    As I stated above this is flawed and from this day forth shall be dismissed as an incomplete study because not all the facts were presented nice try.

    • Wayne

      What? Can u provide evidence where comparable countries to the USA had that happen? When? Where?
      The rest makes no sense to me. The US would be saints? 56 million? Huh? Where is that from?

      Do you not care that USA has the highest number of people killed by guns in the comparison countries? All those people are and have Mums, Dads, Brothers, Sisters, close relatives, friends. The research SHOWS the extraordinary number killed by guns in USA. No where else is it so high. Too many innocents killed. SO sad. Do SOMETHING!

  • Philip A. Karsten

    Before banning guns please ban automobiles, knives and hammers each of which are used in more deaths per year than firearms.

    • Wayne

      Phillip Karsten. The article is about gun deaths. What you seem to not get in this article, is this is a comparison to other similar “first world” countries, where the USA has far and away the highest kill ratio.
      All murder, or accidental deaths, however caused, are sad. Are you suggesting that “gun” deaths somehow are less sad? Guns are specifically made to kill. Owning them just can’t be justified using your idiotic comparisons. Stop the killing of your fellow citizens. Do something about gun ownership, particularly the small hand guns and automatic weapons for a start.

  • NursultanTulyakbay

    Curious if there are statistics on non-gun related violent crimes and how those stack up against gun crimes. Also these numbers are only taking into consideration the crimes that are reported. Places like Mexico, Columbia, Afghanistan,Sudan etc. I suspect have figures that deviate from what is actually occurring.

  • b keaton

    2010, there were 19,392 firearm-related suicides, and 11,078 firearm-related homicides in the U.S.

    That’s 30,000 people killed the U.S. That’s more than failure of the liver. and Parkinson’s disease.

    That’s more than AIDS.

  • Brenno

    Every time there is a “Sandy Hook” tragedy 500 million Europeans wonder why a nation with some of the world’s smartest and most influential people cannot prevent it happening again. And again.

  • Costas Constantinou

    Put all the other countries in the picture and the USA is actually 111 place! Many of the top 110 placed countries have strict gun laws. Then remove the gun free zones where many of the gun deaths occur and the figure drops dramatically.

  • Bruce R

    There are numerous opinions about “why” (& who is involved), but these (& numerous other) facts show that gun violence in the US is dramatically higher than in other “first world” nations. There are “whys” in other countries, too, but it is simple fact that our guns & gun cultural result in more gun violence.

  • WavyDavy

    Women! Geesh.

  • Predator

    Take black deaths out and we fall off the chart. They effect the death rate the incarceration rate the education levels. I can go on and on. You know, all the truths we are not aloud to talk about.

  • Justin

    Get rid of blacks and US will be at the bottom of the list.

  • Jeffrey Smith

    How much of the gun violence in the US is committed by immigrant scum? Did you even try to find out? Or are you just shitting on America so your friends will think you are cool?

  • Donnie Robertson

    (Eight months later): Create your own graphs using only data that makes your study appear so much more detailed than any other. These articles mean no more than the polls taken on any given subject. Hand pick the data that appears favorable and discard any that diminishes the shock value.

    Obama and Company (the left wing nut jobs) time and time again stand at the pulpit and profess that their “sane and logical gun laws will stop the mass shootings. Laws applied to long time gun owners who are and have been LAW ABIDING with not even so much as a traffic ticket are ridiculous and would accomplish absolutely nothing. All one need do is look at Obama’s old stomping grounds of ‘Chicago’ solidly prove this to be true.

    The post by JOHN ROBEL shown down several ‘spots’ is dead on when it comes to these idiotic “graphs” we see at every turn. I cite his contention and agree fully.

    “In the summer of 2013, after neighborhood watchman George Zimmerman, a Hispanic, was acquitted in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black teenager, the political left wanted to have a discussion about everything except the black crime rates that lead people to view young black males with suspicion. Presi­dent Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder wanted to talk about gun control. The NAACP wanted to talk about racial profiling. Assorted academics and MSNBC talking heads wanted to discuss poverty, “stand-your-ground” laws, unemployment and the supposedly racist criminal justice system. But any candid debate on race and criminality in the United States must begin with the fact that blacks are responsible for an astoundingly disproportionate number of crimes, which has been the case for at least the past half a century.”

    AMEN JOHN AMEN!

  • Donnie Robertson

    ALSO DESERVES TO BE REPEATED:

    “Troglodyte • 8 months ago

    “Just get rid of Detroit, L.A. and Chicago, and the U.S. falls about 48th in the world, crack down on gang violence and black crime, you will see a difference… Oh crap we can’t do that because we might offend someone, let’s just continue to blame the 80 million legal gun owners who haven’t committed a crime.

  • Donnie Robertson

    ANOTHER THAT DESERVES REPEATING:

    “Gunut Rhadakrishnan • 3 months ago

    The blame is held by the corrupt justice system that encourages crime by protecting the criminal and punishing the law-abiding. From politicians to judges, to cuts to police departments in order to give local government officials raises and more vacation money, people have no one to defend us but ourselves, and until reform of both local and state government, we the people have to protect ourselves from anyone wishing to do harm. But truth is not what your after, NRA cult, really? you have no clue what the NRA is really about or what they even do nation wide.

    Firearm death happens every 37 minutes, a rape happens every 6 seconds this according to the FBI. Criminals and the mentally unstable having access to firearms is the problem, the reason liberals and progressives can’t admit to this is because they are the reason for their ease of access, NOT the NRA, NRA wants criminals and the mentally unstable peoples access removed from society, prosecuted, laws designed to stop gang violence, enforced, laws already on the books to stop the Adam Lanzas, enforced. You think an “Assault Weapons” ban will fix it, we’ve had an “Assault Weapons” ban since 1932, It’s called the National Firearms Act! 2011 80,000 people were denied firearm purchase through background checks, 44 of those prosecuted, how many of the rest obtained firearms and committed crimes?

    Instead of whining and crying about how many people have guns, lets shout about how disgusted we are about how the criminal justice system continually allows felons to obtain illegally purchased firearms, to obtain firearms confiscated in crimes to be used in other crimes. Officials turning people like Trayvon Martins loose on the street so your crime stats look good to the public.

    Your blaming the wrong people, my friend. But thats how the system works, keep you focused on anything but the real problem, so business can continue as usual, and you are oblivious to the real threat. Trust me, it’s not the law-abiding gun owner you need to worry about.